Treo 650 vs. 6680

I recently did a very geeky post about the Treo650 and all the apps you can put on it. I’m gonna swing back the other way and do an ungeeky post this time. I recently became the proud new owner of a Nokia 6680, and I’ve decided to do a head to head comparison of the two units. But instead of doing a really deep dive into the details, I’m just gonna skim and try to provide tips for those of you thinking something along the lines of “I want a spankin new high tech phone, but I’m not quite sure which one to get”. Russ provided his overview of the 6680 and the apps he runs. I’m just gonna talk about the plain out of the box systems. First, of course, we need a bit of the basic info. Each of the photos below links to a much much larger version if you want to check out some of the details. Much larger, you’ve been warned.

Front view of the phones side by side

Side view of the phones

The booty shot

The two devices are about the same size. The 650 is a bit larger in terms of height and width, but definitely thicker. The real clincher is the external antenna on the 650. If you lopped off the antenna on the 650 I would be comfortable saying the devices are about the same size and leave it at that. With the antenna I have to say that the 650 is the larger device. And the 6680 definitely weighs much less than the 650. I’m normally not all that weight sensitive, but the difference was obvious. Of course the screen on the 650 is much larger, so it’s not like that weight is just extra fat.

Lets start out with the basic interface. Major differences are the touchscreen and PC style keyboard on the 650. The Treo derives from the Palm line of PDAs, so it has a stylus. That’s the little fake pen that you use to tap on things on the screen to get things done. Some people love it, some people start foaming at the mouth and spouting obscenities when you talk about pen based interfaces. So depending on which camp you fall into that could be a mark for or against the Treo, I leave that up to you to decide. One additional point I will make is that the Treo really requires a screen protector if you’re going to be keeping it around for a while. This has been an issue with all the PDAs down since the beginning of time, if you don’t want to scratch up the glass of your screen you really need to use one. And the protector detracts from the visual clarity of the screen. The 6680 doesn’t have a touch screen, so they can put nice hard plastic over the screen and you don’t have to worry about it. I’ve been using the screen protector that came in the box with my Treo and it has worked out well, I don’t really mind the bit of blurring caused by the extra layer of plastic. Then there’s the keyboard. I think it’s quite well done on the Treo actually. I expected the keyboard to be very cramped and difficult to use, but it hasn’t been. I suspect if you had fingers too much larger than my own it would start to get difficult. However the shape of the keys and the way that they’re rounded makes for pretty easy typing. There’s also the resolution of the screen itself, the Treo really blows away the 6680 here. I actually use the PIM features in my phones, the calendar in particular. Unfortunately I have way more to do than my tiny little brain can keep track of, so I let my devices do that for me. Although the screen seems somewhat equivalent when navigating the home screens on the different devices, that’s just because the design of the icons and the screen is much better on the Nokia. Taking a look at something like the calendar really shows how much more you can get on the Treo screen:

Both calendars

The Treo can display the whole calendar and even show approximately what time during the days I have appointments when in month view. The 6680 can show me which days have appointments by marking the corner of the day. Also, I apparently can’t sync the 6680 with my Mac. Perhaps not even with addon software. To be fair, I had to get addon software to sync the Treo, so I need to do some looking around to find what I can do with the 6680. Maybe I can weasel the Treo version of the Funambol conduits out of someone, cause the 6680 does work with that. My poor poor data. I’m told it wants to be free, but every device I have seems to be bent on information subjugation.

Next up is the web browser. Wow. I guess I didn’t really appreciate how primitive the Nokia browser seems compared to Blazer until I had both devices in front of me. Part of it derives from the screen resolution I’m sure, there’s a ridiculously small amount of text on the 6680 screen compared to the Treo. But the reformatting of pages in general to fit the screen also seems to work better on the Treo. My standard test is using Bloglines mobile to check on some feeds. The Nokia browser gets all thrown off by elements that it’s not able to render down into the right size. Say you have a forms table that it can’t shrink enough, the entire post wraps to the width of that table, and you end up scrolling side to side in order to view anything. Blazer deals with that no problem, leaving the table larger than it wants to, but wrapping the post at the right length. It’ll even only show the horizontal scrollbar when the oversize table is onscreen. Not too shabby.

There are a zillion things to talk about still, but I have to go to sleep soon so I can head off to the day job tomorrow. So I’m just gonna leave you with some shots from the cameras. I expected the 6680 to really shine here. It has two cameras, one VGA resolution and the other 1.3 megapixels. The 6680 has a flash as well. The Treo has just a VGA resolution camera and no flash. Here are the images as a set:

These are all indoor pics, so it is biased. But for the indoor set I think the Treo did fantastic. The details of the images come through better, although the color is definitely washed out. And the size is much better on the Treo. The VGA image from the Treo is 88k, while the VGA image from the 6680 is 176k. Ouch. Moving that much data around, no wonder the Nokia folks had to invent another memory card format to conserve battery power ;-) To be really fair though, I’ll have to snap some outdoor pics as well and see how they compare. Hopefully I can get those up soon.

I was expecting this race to be neck and neck. I’m really liking the multithreaded core of Symbian and the button driven interface. But you only get one chance to make a first impression. And I think the first impression is that the Treo is going to spend a lot more time in my pocket. Maybe I’ll get pissed of it crashing on me all the time (it does) and turning off the phone for no particular reason (something else it does) or the terrible battery life it gets (about 20% battery charge remaining after a day of moderate use). That could certainly drive me back to the 6680 and see what I can get working there. But I’m not sure I’m ready to drop all the coin necessary to fully trick out the thing. A lot of the aps on that list top $20. 5 apps and I’ve spent another hundred dollars. Ouch. Maybe a crash every now and again isn’t that bad by comparison.

13 Responses to “Treo 650 vs. 6680”

  1. Henrikki Says:

    In Finland Treo costs around 70-100 dollars more. That buys you better browser and calender to your Nokia, and something else too.

    Then again I think the main point is the UI/interface and what it brings with you. I like doing things one handed, that’s why my choice here is always going to be 60-series device (actually, whom I’m gidding, I’m a Nokia fan and a Finn so it would always be Nokia..heh).

    Anyway Treo’s larger screen means bigger bulk and weight. 6680 is by no means a feather weight (I would’t keep it in my shirt pocket) and it isn’t the smallest mobile around. Therefore trade off would be too big for me in case of Treo. It’s not like you can enjoy surfing/tyoing e-mails with the Treo like with a computer either..

    If your are not in a hurry, Nokia has introduced interesting designs coming to markets this year already (I wait eagerly the 770 Internet tablet). Altough you have to expect that for heavy users PIM functions and syncing will not be better in a hurry..Mayby beginning of next year

  2. Alex Says:

    Psuedo Trackback:

    …today he wrote about how that device compares with the Nokia 6680… Pity it’s heavily biased…So - Mr. Rowehl would rather have a phone that is (by your own account) fundementally unstable, rather than a consistently reliable PIM/calendar/browser/phone….

    http://www.symplification.com/node/191

  3. miker Says:

    I’m not too sure what you think it’s biased in favor of… I’ve been using Series 60 and Palm devices for a while, and on this iteration I like the 650 better so far. Given that it’s a review, I thought it would be appropriate to…. well.. review.

  4. Alex Says:

    erh. Yes, but you should make clear that the criteria under which you’re going to choose a _phone_ is PDA functionality.

    With that as the criteria, I wouldn’t even bother testing any series 60 device…

    The thing is, it’s made out as if it were a: “head to head comparison of the two units.”

    But, yes, he had no time.

  5. Lon Says:

    6680 looks good. But Nokia still doesn’t get it. They need a real qwerty keypad for PDA phones, compared to regular phones.

    Handling e-mail, IM and browsing with T9 text input is like typing with only your thumbs. It make “real” text communications painfully slow, even with practice. Hence the morse coder vs. sms stunt.

  6. Henrikki Says:

    http://www.nokiausa.com/nokia_accessories/messaging/1,2231,,00.html

    There is qwerty for you..:).

    Personally I think you can’t get the two:qwerty and smallish size into one. I rather have my phone small than bigger, so I can live without qwerty.

    I do IM and e-mails with my 6630.. If I would do them a lot I would buy the qwerty above. It even has a cradle you can put your phone on to, so that it is in a convinient angle when typing.

  7. Tom Says:

    An interesting comparison. I bought a Treo 650 about 4 weeks ago having used a Nokia 7650, SE P800, Nokia 6600 and a Nokia 6630. I have a number of problems with the Series 60 UI but the biggest has to be that the title bar at the top and the shortcut bar at the bottom of screen take up almost a third of the screen!

    For me the benefits of the Treo have been the keyboard and the screen. Apps on S60 like tasks and calendar just don’t display enough info on the 6630 and its cousins. You get about two words about the task or appointment making it next to useless. It was interesting that in Russ’s (excellent) review of what’s on his 6680 he mentioned he very rarely uses the PIM functionality. This was one of the biggest problems I had with the platform. The screen has excellent resolution and I like the simple look of the UI. It’s minimalist and uses excellent smoothed fonts. Symbian could certainly learn from Palm on that front!

    I’m surprised that you highlighted battery life as a concern. My Treo has managed 5 days (admittedly with minimal use) between charges. My 6630 had huge problems with battery life although I think this was because I’m on the borders of a 3G cell and the phone spent the night flipping between the two technologies. It sometimes wouldn’t last 24 hours.

    The Treo hasn’t been perfect however. The most noticeable problems have been with Versamail crashing when it tried to retrieve email when I’m on the tube (and there’s obviously no GPRS. It has required resets and although this happened on the Nokia it didn’t require removing the battery life and using the stylus. If your platform occasionally needs rebooting that’s OK but include an on / off switch! There are problems with the single tasking OS, well actually there more like annoyances. The fact that once I put the phone in “dial up networking” mode I can’t use the email and web apps on the phone itself is a little strange. Nokia can’t actually do both at the same time but the OS is capable of handling this transparently and simply drops the applications’ GPRS connections. The Palm OS is capable of covering up for the single tasking since all of its applications save their state and open up quickly. It doesn’t work every time though and the phone app in particular takes a while to open up.

  8. version 0.1 » Blog Archive » Smartphone links - not marriage related Says:

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  9. Aaron Says:

    Henrikki, the Treo line has always been able to be fully controlled with one hand. The 5 way d-pad is perfectly integrated throughout the system.

    I know on mine, I’ve never even taken the stylus out of the holder.

  10. Treo Today » Blog Archive » Treo 650 vs. Nokia 6680 Says:

    [...] Mike Rowehl does a thorough comparison between the two smartphones. The Treo wins on many points, including the keyboard and the screen. Check out the videos he took using the 650 and 6680 and judge the quality for yourself. [...]

  11. pocket pc Says:

    El treo 650 es mas eficiente y un millon de veses mejor que el celular osea como conparan tecnilogia de punta con un insignificante cecular
    el treo tiene toda las funciones de un celular hasta oseas banos no el treo 650 hace pedasos a ese pobre celula

  12. G-MaN Says:

    I think this all boils down to personal preferance. I personally like the S60 devices. A lot of new and cool aps out there.

  13. KW Says:

    I’m an owner of Nokia 8862, and a Treo 650. The Treo blowns nokia out of the water COMPLETELY in absolutely everything. Now before anyone says I’m biased or anything, I am a hardcore nokia fan. ALL my phones (8 of them) have been Nokias, and I just rescently broke that streak and picked up a Treo a few months ago. I didn’t know what I was missing, looks like it’ll be nothing but Treos for me from now on.

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